WMI's
Marc Powell
marc at ena.com
Fri Mar 13 14:39:21 CET 2009
On Mar 13, 2009, at 7:36 AM, Mark Weaver wrote:
Just a couple of $.02us, please read in courteous, matter-of-fact tone
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> Andreas, you're making my head hurt! ;) I've been using (learning)
> Nagios now for about a week now and haven't encountered anything with
> such a vertical learning curve like this since I started learning
> Linux
> in 1996.
Heh, the learning curve is not nearly so steep as say Slackware back
in those days... Nagios is a lot like linux though; it's just a base
platform. How you implement it, what you monitor with it and how you
do so is going to greatly depend on what you want to get out of it and
your environment. While there is a lot of commonality between users,
there's also a lot of difference and flexibility to monitor things any
way you like. If it can be run from the command line, it can be turned
into a plugin generally.
> That being said the documentation which comes with Nagios seriously
> sucks until you begin to
> get on to the Nagios way of doing things.
... one of the reasons I recommend reading the documentation, then the
sample config files, then the documentation again. IMHO, the
documentation is actually very good and covers most common concepts
and scenarios, either very specifically or generally. ~90% of the time
I respond to a question, I'm looking at the documentation that answers
it.
> So for you to curtly suggest that all can easily be found googling
> as an
> answer to this question is, well... just too easy. Either you don't
> actually know or you don't feel like telling.
I'm quite certain he knows, or has heard of people doing it, and
believes that the answers you seek are easily found. I believe that
you might not yet know the questions to ask google though because you
don't yet understand the concepts.
> I totally understand
> though because I suspect you yourself have worked very hard getting to
> know and work with Nagios and have put quite a bit of time into the
> gaining the experience you now possess, but throwing us noobs a bone
> isn't really asking too much is it?
>
> Bone == link to information
> slap in one's face == go google it...
I don't think that expecting you to figure out that you should google
for 'nagios wmi' is too much to expect, since that was your goal and
what he pointed you to do. In your question, you made an assumption
about a tool (check_nt) that was incorrect. The documentation for that
tool would have told you it was incorrect by omission but he pointed
it out and told you there were other tools available that might do
what you need. There are *many* nagios plugins available created by
many people. It's not possible to know them all or where they are
located, hence the google recommendation. He can not be expected to do
that kind of research for you in the same way that a kernel developer
can't be expected to tell you which web server to install and how to
use it.
> Yeah... we can find the stuff we need by googling for it, but wouldn't
> it be nice if the documentation were a lot more robust and contained
> in
> a wiki somewhere? I have yet to find one for Nagios.
There's one linked directly from the Documentation page at http://www.nagios.org
. http://www.nagiosexchange.org is another, somewhat different but
well known community site.
> As I said, I do understand that you and others have invested a great
> deal of time and effort into learning Nagios and how to work it, but
> if
> you don't want to share whats locked away in your brains then why even
> respond to the post?
Because posters and responders have unknown levels of knowledge? He
provided information based on an expectation that you have a higher
level of knowledge. That information would have been quite sufficient
for many people. You have two possible paths in a case like that, you
either try to figure out what he means or you ignore it and wait for
someone else to answer at a level you understand. If you get no
further answers that either indicates most people think it's
sufficient, you didn't ask the right question or you didn't give the
right information. If you're fortunate, you may even have people tell
you that. He answered in a manner that is comfortable to him and meets
his expectations of the questioner. We're all self-taught nagios
users; if we can do it, so can you.
> Google What for pete's sake?
generally, 'nagios check <whatever>' will provide resources for
checking most anything someone's tried to monitor. You'll either find
plugins, web pages or list archives.
> Thank you for you kind attention and for putting up with this petulant
> Nagios Newbie.
Heh, you'll get there ;)
--
Marc
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