Biggest Problem with Nagios: Poor Setup/Installation

[Sam Stave]

Mr Vier wrote : "I never said it was default."

Mr. Vier Wrote: "In fact, I have no host.cfg.  or
hosts.cfg, which is default."

I stated that when you run the make install-config and
it creates the hosts.cfg for you, which would *lead
one to believe* this to be the default.

Jeff,

I will certainly continue to check the DOCS as it is
obvious I will get no information from you. So, I
thank you for the encouragement.

I also went back and reviewed some of your other
postings and it should be abundantly clear that any
comments coming from you should be disregarded
entirely  as your incapable of having a smooth
communication. I certainly hope you conduct yourself
better in your offline relations - I am sure that
you're a valuable asset to Trading Technologies, which
I see has an office in NYC - where I would assume you
to be from, based on what wonderful insight you have
given me to your personality. 

BTW - I would suggest that you not attempt to cling to
vigorously to the BOFH persona you seem to equate with
one in a technical position... however, I am sure you
lack other qualities that might otherwise be
considered your saving grace.

Good Day.

Sam







--- jeff vier <jeff.vier at tradingtechnologies.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 13:49 -0700, Sam Stave wrote:
> > OK so that was a completely asinine response.\
> > 
> > First of all I have read *all* the documentation.
> in
> > addition I have been going throug the lists
> archive,
> > and posting to the list. I have read that PDF and
> > other contributed documentation as well.
> > 
> > So, since you are such an expert why not replying
> with
> > something more than "What?"
> 
> When I have no idea what you are talking about, I
> feel "What?" is a
> valid response.
> 
> > For example:
> > > It requires that a host be defined, but there is
> no
> > > file name
> > > requirement.  In fact, I have no host.cfg.  or
> > > hosts.cfg, which is
> > > default.
> > Actually when you install nagios, it does not
> create
> > these files as you may be well aware. However it
> DOES
> > state that you should use make install-config to
> > create the sample config files - of which there is
> a
> > hosts.cfg. NO place does it state that having no
> > host.cfg is a Default way to have the system
> > configured.
> 
> I think running "make install-config" is part of
> installing nagios.  As
> it is in the documentation under "Configuration
> overview", which is the
> first step in the "Configuring Nagios" section. 
> That's the section
> right after "Installing Nagios".
> 
> > It is obvious from your response that you are
> merely
> > attempting to make yourself feel better about your
> > understanding being greater than anothers - rather
> > than actually contributing anything of true value.
> 
> Similarly, I think that your instructions which are,
> at times,
> contradictory to published documentation are at
> least confusing and at
> worst misleading.
> 
> > Why not expand upon how you state not having a
> host
> > file is a default. I just went back again and read
> the
> > object definition documentation - and nowhere does
> it
> > state that no host file is defult. Infact since
> the
> > make install-config CREATES a hosts.cfg file - it
> > would lead one to believe that having this file is
> in
> > fact the default.
> 
> I never said it was default.
> YOU said "Nagios requires that one host definition
> be placed in the
> host.cfg file".
> Nagios doesn't require such a thing at all.
> 
> Running the aforementioned "make install-config"
> creates a file (in the
> etc/ subdirectory of the nagios install directory)
> named "hosts.cfg".
> This file is, however, not a requirement in any way.
>  It is simply the
> default location for host_definition clauses, but
> you are free to put
> them anywhere.
> 
> > I also did mention that what i had wrote was jsut
> off
> > the top of my head.... but it was a hell of a lot
> more
> > clear than what my experience has been in reading
> all
> > the docs and some of the respondants to issues on
> this
> > list, such as is evident from the pompous
> rediculous
> > response of mr vier here.
> 
> What docs are you reading?  There is a docs/
> subdirectory in
> ~nagios/share/ that has *all* of this information at
> length.  A link to
> this documentation is off of the "Home" page in the
> nagios web
> interface.
> 
> You can certainly regard me as pompous if you like,
> though I prefer the
> more apropos "arrogant".  Also, it's "ridiculous".
> 
> > anyway - the point is that it should be fairly
> obvious
> > that some people do find defficiencies in the
> > documentation - as some people need things spelled
> out
> > in a non-technical description more than others,
> and I
> > hope to alleviate that to as much a degree as I
> can -
> > as opposed to making attacks with no value-add on
> the
> > list...
> 
> This is a technical product for technical
> monitoring.  Technical
> descriptions are the norm, I would think.
> 
> YOU are not lending much help in discovering these
> deficiencies, either.
> Providing your own duplicate (though incorrect)
> documentation does not
> provide insight into any shortcomings of the
> documentation.
> 
> Perhaps something like "in the Object configuration
> file options
> section, it said I need to oil my muffler bearings
> when CLEARLY it
> should note that it requires that I first
> cross-drill my brake lines".
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 
> From: Sam Stave <sam_stave at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Biggest Problem with
> Nagios: Poor     
> 	Setup/Installation
> To: nagios-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> Well, i can tell you that this is an extremely
> poorly
> documented util.
> 
> There is no place that states nor clearly describes
> the exact methods for getting a check to run -
> especially when it is not an actual service that a
> host is presenting to external users.
> 
> There is a tremendous amount of trial and error and
> WTF type of reading and re-reading the config files
> to
> figure out how the thing is supposed to be
> configured.
> 
> While this is a great way to really learn what the
> tool is doing and how it actually does it - just
> because one person with sys admin experience can
> make
> many deductions quickly and flow past any issues -
> most of the undocumented idiosyncrosis of the
> utility
> can be show-stoppers for the "average" person.
> 
> I am writing a clear and concise installation and
> configuration run-book which i will publish on this
> list, so one example is:
> 
> Nagios is a utility which is designed to natively
> check external services presented to clients on a
> network. Nagios will act as a client of the service
> and access the service to determine if it is
> actually
> running. In order to do this, Nagios requires that
> one
> host definition be placed in the host.cfg file
> (usually a host is defined as a single IP) - then
> services associated with this host can be listed in
> the service.cfg file. For example, host 10.1.1.1 may
> be a web/ftp server.
> 
> For 10.1.1.1, you would tell Nagios to run a
> check_ftp
> and a check_http service check.
> 
> Your host definition in host.cfg looks like this:
> 
> [Standard host definition]
> 
> A service check definition associated with a host
> should be entered into service.cfg like this:
> 
> [standrd service definition]
> 
> You can list as many service checks to a single host
> as you like.
> 
> The services that Nagios can check natively are all
> *external* services. For internal system checks,
> such
> as check_disk check_load and other checks which must
> run commands on a local host, Nagios needs to be
> configured to run these checks via ssh. The
> check_by_ssh command allows for Nagios to SSH to a
> machine, execute a Nagios plugin that is *installed
> on
> the remote host* and report based on the output of
> that check.
> 
> -----
> 
> That is the level of description that Nagios does
> *not* have... and that was just off the top of my
> head... and I am new to Nagios. So i am sure that
> those who are much more familiar with it should have
> been able to write some better documentation.
> 
> additionally, there are other issues, like what
> dependancy packages need to be added. The fact that
> it
> appears that check_by_ssh does *NOT* work when both
> the Nagios Server and Client are solaris (as I have
> found - check_by_ssh returns no output when I have
> both server and client as solaris boxes - but I am
> currently setting up both a linux server and client
> to
> verify this)
> 
> The installation and configuration runbook that I am
> writing is for me, but i am happy to share it with
> the
> Nagios community....
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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