Has anyone looked into the product by www.hype ric.com before?

[Ben Clewett]

Ton,

Just a comment.  I had an argument in some depth with MySQL about why 
they force people to buy there product.  My understanding is, and I hope 
other people will correct me:

You can't sell GPL as-is.

You can sell support licenses, installation, the hardware it sits on, 
configuration, help, the box and CD's it comes in.  But not the program.

MySQL *claim* you can sell GPL code if a you extend the product and sell 
the result.  Therefore breaking the GPL.  You are effectively buy a 
license which revokes the GPL for your specific case.

MySQL further claim than an extension of GPL includes any product which 
uses any part of theirs, and no other interoperable system.  Which 
includes use of the GPL drivers and other code used within foreign code.

Therefore if any other company took Nagios, used any part of it as the 
basis of another product which they then sold, this is illigal.   But 
you can charge them a wopping great license to revoke the GPL....

This can be changed by adopting the LGPL license, which waves rights on 
your code used in foreign code.  Which is the same as the BSD license 
used by PostgreSQL.

Further information from MySQL.

It must be noted that all of this is untested by law, including MySQL's 
claims that there interperation is correct.

Ben


Voon, Ton wrote:
> I don't see why you cannot repackage Nagios and sell the service - in fact,
> the GNU licence allows you to do that. What you cannot do is remove the GNU
> licence or the copyrights.
> 
> Other companies "make money" from opensource software. Apple use a version
> of FreeBSD as the core of their MacOSX. Red Hat make money from distributing
> Linux. Webhosting companies use Apache to sell their services.
> 
> The key, I think, is to be open about it ("Plumtree use Nagios as the core
> of our monitoring software") and show that you are "being a good citizen" by
> contributing back changes and generally helping to improve the codebase. I
> would be happy to credit Plumtree for any patches that you provide to show
> your participation.
> 
> As for commercial support, http://nagios.org lists a few companies that will
> provide you an extra level of support if your customers have problems that
> you cannot fix internally. I'm sure you could partner with one of them.
> 
> My point is, I wouldn't rule out Nagios just because it is opensource. If
> you think it is a good product, then your customers will too.
> 
> Ton
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Truong [mailto:Jason.Truong at plumtree.com] 
> Sent: 25 May 2004 00:02
> To: nagios-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Nagios-users] Has anyone looked into the product by
> www.hyperic.com before?
> 
> Internally we use Nagios.  I have been using for quite some time and love
> it.  Our company is looking into something like Nagios but packaging it into
> a product to help monitor our product, the Plumtree portal.
> 
> Has anyone looked into http://www.hyperic.com/ before?  The folks in upper
> management are looking for a company to partner up with.
> 
> If anyone knows of a better commercial product, can you please give me your
> suggestions.  The portal manager is looking for something like Nagios,
> network/systems management tool, but with commercial support.  I don't think
> that Plumtree can package Nagios since that would break some of the legal
> aspects of using opensource.  I personally love Nagios and would not want my
> company to re-package Nagios and try to sell it as a add-on package/service
> without giving back to Nagios.  (sorry I don't understand the licensing all
> too well)
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jason Truong
> Plumtree Software
> (415) 399-7006
> 
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