SV: Nagios 2.0 stable

[Andreas Ericsson]

OSS vs Redmond aside, any user who takes a developers word for "stable" 
and doesn't test before implementing deserves to lose their job. If the 
production environment isn't important enough for there to be room in 
the budget for one or two evaluation servers, it probably doesn't matter 
what software you run. You'll get burnt just the same.


It's worth noting here that OSS software has nothing to gain from 
offering their software as stable when it isn't tested, while 
proprietary software vendors (such as symantec, microsoft etc) do.

jeff vier wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 10:45 -0500, Petrucci, Joseph wrote:
> 
>> It is hard enough to talk large companies into using opensource
>> products without having to explain to them it is a Beta. I have
>> several companies that I monitor remotely and will not run a beta
>> version. It would look to my clients like do not care if I can
>> actually support them or not. Also In my testing (which admittedly
>> just started) I am having trouble with Distributed Nagios
>> instances. I believe it is just a config issue and have not had
>> much time to research it but Version 2.0 is not as stable as 1.2 as
>> far as I can see.
> 
> 
> I run a distributed 2.0 environment (3 dist sites, the central server
>  also doing active checks).
> 
> I had a large boost in performance and stability from going to 2.0.
> 
> Beta doesn't mean ANYTHING.
> 
> If beta *meant* the code was *necessarily* more stable, explain
> anything from Redmond to me.
> 
> --boinger
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message----- From:
>> nagios-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net 
>> [mailto:nagios-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Sean
>> Dilda Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:31 AM To:
>> boinger at tradingtechnologies.com Cc: Bergström Sebastian;
>> nagios-users Subject: Re: SV: [Nagios-users] Nagios 2.0 stable
>> 
>> 
>> jeff vier wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 11:39 +0100, Bergström Sebastian wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I realise that my question is unclear. I'm refering to the fact
>>>> that 2.0 still is in beta. We are running v.1.2 currently and
>>>> are interested in the v.2.0.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has an idea of how much time it might
>>>> take before 2.0 can go into a stable (non-beta) state.
>>>> 
>>>> Any idea?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To put it bluntly: Who Cares?
>> 
>> Most professionals.
>> 
>> 
>>> There are so many of us running it in production (I, myself, have
>>> been doing so since "alpha"), isn't that good enough?
>> 
>> Just because you walk the bleeding edge doesn't mean everyone else
>> wants to.
>> 
>> 
>>> There will always be bugs, no matter what you call it (alpha,
>>> beta, pr, rc, gold, etc).
>>> 
>>> In my, and I'm sure many others', experience,
>>> super-pre-double-alpha code from a nice community-supported
>>> project like this is still going to have less bugs than anything
>>> similar from Microsoft no matter how many "final" versions they
>>> have.
>>> 
>>> And if something major does come up, there's usually a
>>> fix/work-around in a few hours or days, not weeks or months.
>> 
>> I'm not opposed to using software that's still under development,
>> but I try to avoid it whenever possible in production environments.
>> If its as good as you say it is, then maybe it shouldn't be called
>> beta, but that's an argument to be made with the developers, not
>> the users.
>> 
>> For most projects, terms like 'alpha' and 'beta' have certain
>> meanings in regards to how stable/tested the code is and how likely
>> it is to change before final release.  And likewise, official
>> releases tend to not do things like drastically change the config
>> layout as part of a bugfix, whereas an alpha or beta might.
>> 
>> You may have no problems with it, and that's great.  However, there
>> are people out there whose job performance is tied to how well
>> stuff like this operates.  As such, they tend to make the wise
>> choice of waiting for an official release before investing time
>> setting up something and risking having to completely change your
>> setup in a couple of weeks.  To many professionals, having an
>> official (as opposed to beta) release is an indication from the
>> developers that this code is ready for prime time and will have
>> bugfixes that don't cause you to rework things.
>> 
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